Episode 125: Finding Peace: The Importance of Self-Care
In this episode of the F*ck Saving Face podcast, Judy Tsuei and Nina Tseng discuss the journey of self-discovery and empowerment for Asian Americans, particularly those from immigrant backgrounds.
They explore the challenges of breaking free from societal and familial expectations, the importance of healing and self-care, and the transformative power of curiosity and community support.
Nina shares her personal journey from corporate America to becoming a life coach, emphasizing the significance of recognizing one's worth and embracing vulnerability. The conversation highlights the need for mental health awareness and the importance of finding peace within oneself to lead a fulfilling life.
Takeaways
Empowerment comes from breaking through taboo topics.
Curiosity is essential for personal and professional growth.
Healing from past expectations is crucial for self-acceptance.
Self-care is foundational for sustainable living and success.
Witnessing others' journeys can foster self-confidence.
The mind-body connection is vital in understanding trauma.
Embracing vulnerability leads to deeper connections.
Recognizing one's worth is a powerful step towards joy.
Progress is often slow but should be celebrated.
You have the power to define your own path.
Episode Highlights
00:00 Breaking Taboos: Empowering Asian American Voices
02:49 From Corporate to Coaching: A Journey of Self-Discovery
05:57 Curiosity and Growth: Navigating Career Pivots
09:07 Healing from Expectations: The First-Gen Experience
12:00 Finding Peace: The Importance of Self-Care
14:47 The Power of Witnessing: Building Self-Confidence
17:54 Mind-Body Connection: Understanding Trauma
20:51 Embracing Vulnerability: The Role of Touch and Connection
23:52 Celebrating Progress: The Journey of Self-Acceptance
27:06 You Are Worthy: A Call to Action
Transcript:
Judy Tsuei (00:02.678)
Welcome to the F*ck Saving Face podcast where we're empowering mental and emotional health for Asian Americans and voices of color by breaking through taboo topics. Life may not always be pretty, but it is indeed beautiful. Make your story beautiful today. Today we have Nina Tseng here to talk about step two in my book, How to Disappoint Your Parents in 10 Shameless Steps, A Modern Asian American Guide. Step two is all about
failing out math, becoming a yoga teacher, doing something differently than what you had expected. So for most of us who are children of immigrants, we were probably expected to become a doctor, lawyer, engineer, and maybe as a stretch, accounting. But if you weren't those things, what do you do? So I am so excited to have Nina here today who is going to share about her experience bringing this step to life.
And I'm going to turn it over to you to share more about yourself and what it is that you do. Yeah, of course. Hi, I'm Nina. I'm a leadership and life coach who empowers Asian immigrants and leaders to build a life and
a career that they can love even and even more proud, prouder than their parents. And a little bit about myself, I am a first gen immigrant from Taiwan and I moved to the States about 15 years ago. And I was actually in corporate America for 13 years. So Judy, as you mentioned, what a person could become after leaving that say like a successful path.
that they are expected or they think is going to thrive, they're going to thrive. I think I'm a testament there. But after 13 years, I became a solopreneur and a coach to build a life that's defined by myself. And really, I'm hoping right now is helping people to take care of themselves better and take care of their community and then even the planet. And then starting with the mindset that while pain is inevitable, but suffering is optional. So that's what...
Judy Tsuei (01:55.872)
I'm doing right now. I love that you said that. And that's very different than... Yeah. Yeah, very different than what my parents expected. Well, and one of the things that you touch upon is this social responsibility. So right now I'm part of the Goldman Sachs 10,000 Small Businesses program, and their first module is all about social responsibility. So it's who are you as a person? Who are you as a founder? How do you contribute to the greater society as a whole?
you know, whether that's sustainability efforts from like using LED lights and recycling through TerraCycle or something like that to making sure that your team has the opportunity to go out and volunteer when they want to volunteer or giving, you know, parental paid leave, all of these other things. And I think that as children of immigrants, we're often raised with that idea of scarcity and not enoughness. And I think that that's part of why our parents think that becoming a doctor or lawyer engineer is a good idea because it's a paved path.
you know what your income potential is gonna be there. And so how did you make the leap from the traditional corporate role into what it is that you're doing? Was there some kickstart that happened or was it just something that you were like, you know what, I've achieved some level of success and this isn't what I wanna do. I would say it's a combination of both. Combination of really looking back and connecting the dots of my life.
but then also getting to a point where I realized, well, this is not something I want to do. I don't want to play the game anymore. I want to get off that. I want to hop off the hamster wheel. But of course it's connecting the dots and realizing what kind of skills and resources what I love about and what is the meaning and purpose that I really want to carry out in the remainder of my life. Well, maybe the space of my life. I was going to say, you mentioned that you had made a bunch of different pivots too. Like you pivoted careers four times.
Because I think a lot of people think that, okay, I'm gonna leave this and I'm gonna go to this and it's gonna be very clear and I'm gonna know what to do. And I was actually just talking with a mentor and saying, yeah, I think that if like I had a clear picture over here, maybe I would have made a more direct leap. But I didn't have that clear picture yet. So I was just doing little bits here and there as I was figuring it out. So how did you figure it out? I think that's exactly it. Like you said.
Judy Tsuei (04:12.275)
you and your mentor set is, I think for me, the critical components, things were one, curiosity, curiosity and I think growth mindset. So really curiosity is being open to different opportunity. Like I did have kind of a vision of what I want. Like 15 years ago, when I graduated college, I moved to the States because I was, was sponsored by my parents. So I got a green card and I realized, well, the world is, is an oyster. So why not just go out and then see what's out there.
And so that was the first kind of curiosity that took me to from Taiwan to the States 15 years ago. And the first year I was, well, I was very fortunate. I have a really good community and my family and relatives, like the first, the typical Asian American first gen parents were actually my aunts and uncles and also their children's who are my cousins. Those are the community that really helped me to set my foot.
here in the States. But then the first year I remember I was doing different odd jobs. I was daycare teacher for my aunt's daycare. I was English tutor to a CIA agent. was... yeah. was... I know. Looking back it was really interesting. And then I was sales associate at a boutique clothing store in San Francisco. But I think all of that was because the curiosity and just wanted to see what's out there. But then following the...
I would say it's looking bad, like really following the breadcrumbs. But then it's because the curiosity that opens a lot of different doors. And then the first official corporate America job was at World Journal. Like I'm not sure if you're a Taiwanese immigrant household, like World Journal, Shijie Yubao. It's actually a lot of our parents read. yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I actually bought a version. Every day, the Shijie Yubao. Yeah.
I know I bought a copy of that because my grandpa was reading it and then I bought a copy of it and I found the first I found this opportunity to work there and then so I actually I forgot if I called them or I emailed them and I applied to it and I ended up leveraging photography skills which I learned or picked up in college I was an advertising major and then I was doing that photography job and also some the project management or here and there for three months on a probational period and then that's how
Judy Tsuei (06:26.959)
how what got me into that first foot in the door of corporate America, even that's Taiwanese American kind of business, but it's still corporate America. Yeah. And so I would say, yeah, definitely the curiosity. And then from there, 13 years, 10 years of marketing analytics, and then ultimately, and then now as a coach, I would say it's all all that curiosity and the confidence building away knowing that I am capable, knowing that I'm capable to be able to do that. But of course, being supported by a supported network.
connections, community and family, but also myself. I know, yeah. I always say that you can take those like skills. So let's say you did pursue the traditional path and like so many of us did, and then you realize, okay, this isn't what I want to do. But you've learned skills along the way. It's not like those are not transferable and you can transfer, you know, all the dedication and the heart that you put into it, like especially having to grind in something that maybe you didn't want to do. That's a skill set because if you're becoming an entrepreneur, you're going to have to
face challenges and times when you have to rely upon yourself. Maybe you're not, you're going to be doing things that you don't necessarily love, but they're essential for moving your business forward. So I think that reminding ourselves that those things can move over and how do we just look at it from a different lens and how do we utilize that? What I'm so curious about is, well, twofold. Once you mentioned Shijia Ro, I was like, my gosh, every day. Cause my parents had a business in the 99 Ranch Plaza in Rollin Heights. And so
You it was always one of their responsibilities to bring home the newspaper. They had to. And so it was a common question of who got it. And so what was it like working there? And especially like, you know, I've been in journalism too, so I'm so curious. But two, you specifically work with a population of, you know, children of immigrants and these like first-gens. And what do you notice is kind of the common theme when you're working?
them because I think that the mindset is a little bit different, especially with the expectations that were put on us. I would say, so right now I primarily work with twofolds. One is children of immigrants parents, but also adult immigrants coming from Asia. And I would say there is definitely commonality, but also differences for the first gen immigrants, children of first gen immigrants, I would say very distinctively is that
Judy Tsuei (08:47.353)
tiger mom that believes from the tiger parents, the beliefs that you carry and expectations carried from was given to your by your parents, where like you mentioned earlier, a certain path forward, certain academic performance, certain professional occupations. So I would say the most commonalities really like carrying that.
sometimes shame and sometimes guilt and because they're trying to reconcile this conflicting values that they now have versus what they were growing up carrying over and then being given by their parents and sometimes even grandparents.
helping them to recognize the reconcile. I would say is actually heal. To heal from that expectation, heal from that hurt that they might have gotten from their parents growing up. And also starting to find out what is an alternative path and what kind of mindset could be supportive in carrying it out that alternative path for them. while I'm not a psychologist, I did want to go back to a psychologist when I was pivoting, but I realized, well, with this
the investment time and money, I don't think so. But I did also wanted to study psychology when I was in college, but I ended up being accepted in advertising, but kind of similar because advertising, we also study consumer insights, which also helped me a lot in as a solopreneur. So see, I'm really connecting the dots going back. anyway, going back to how the commonality and how the Asian immigrants really find the voice in them, think first is really healing.
I think this is also what your podcast and what you've been doing a lot is taking care of the mental health because you got to take care of that first. Then you can have a sustainable life and career because otherwise you're destined to burnout. Something's going to give. So first off is healing and then the second is finding out, co-working and figuring out what is in my coaching space, but also I'm seeing a lot of the just kind of symptoms or beliefs.
Judy Tsuei (10:44.025)
share belief of a lot of Asian immigrants is that guilt and doubt, but then also working with them and helping encourage and motivate them to figure out what's that different path that they can take. And at the same time, reconciling that feeling of guilt or shame that they're not meeting their parents' expectations, but just constantly reminding them, what is that feelings or emotions that you otherwise would rather have that could be joy, that could be wonder, that could be sense of...
accomplishment. But of course, at the same time, also shedding some other feelings, including Shane Gild, but also letting go. I a lot of time, letting go and then just deciding you want to be at peace with yourself, I think is a very critical step in launching that life they want. Yeah, I think being at peace with yourself, you know, I think back.
to different phases of my life when I knew that things were not right. And it was so clear to the point that every morning that I would wake up, it would feel so miserable in my heart and in my chest. You know, when I was in my marriage and knowing that I needed to get divorced, but like feeling this expectation culturally, societally, like, you know, you're not supposed to do that. You're supposed to stay together, but just feeling that like unbearable weight and not being able to thrive in any capacity. And I wasn't good.
I wasn't fully present for my daughter because of that. And so I think even when you learn about entrepreneurship, it's so key that you take care of yourself because without you, how is the company going to run? And like, as you continue to scale and evolve, you're going to need to figure out systems in place so that if something were to happen to you or to like, you know, your next level of leadership, you want the health of the company to be there. But in the beginnings, it's you.
And so you're such a primary focal point of everything that you do. And I think that that sense of peace is so worthwhile to pursue. I think for a lot of us, for me, when I was growing up, because of the constant chaotic nature of my house and the yelling and the fighting and like all of that kind of stuff, my brain became wired for that like high level of excitement and anticipation. So it took a long time for me to understand that seeking peace was a good
Judy Tsuei (12:56.985)
thing because it didn't match my baseline understanding of what normal was. And so I would try to seek more aggressive types of behaviors because that's what felt familiar to me. So that felt normal. And it took a lot of, like you said, unlearning, unwiring of that so that I could get to a place where like, you know what, being calm is a good thing. My mom was someone who would always say like,
you need to multitask to the nth degree. You need to make sure every single second of your day is fully utilized. And so I didn't know what it was like to sit still and to not have anything to do, not to be productive 24 seven. I think like you were saying, there's just so much of what we acquired in our households and what is actually aligned to who we are.
and that it's not like it's gonna come all at once, but like you keep reminding us is following your sense of curiosity, that there are little pings here and there, little moments where you're like, that's interesting. And how do you address that? Because I think for all of us, for a lot of us who were, you better get straight A pluses, you're looking at this like path where you're expected to get it all right the first time instead of, you know.
really how life works. I actually watched this amazing Instagram clip this morning about failure and this reporter was asking this football player, you know, well, what do you think about the fact that you failed? And he just, the football player kind of just shook his head and he's like, let me ask you a question. Do you get a promotion every single year of your job? And the reporter is like, no. And he's like, so do you consider that failing then? Or do you consider that progress that like you are trying to go for something and
Sometimes you win and sometimes you don't and that's what sports is. We're not supposed to be winning all the time. Like what kind of sport would you want to watch if you were winning all the time? And I loved that response where he's like, it's about progress. Like, you know, I'm not failing here. I'm doing the best that I can and I'm supporting my family along the way and I'm doing all of these things. So do you have like something that you commonly remind your clients to work through? For sure. Yes.
Judy Tsuei (15:15.095)
Maybe share a little bit of my stories and then I can share how I work with my clients because I think a lot of our past inform our presence and future. And I would say it's also my, in addition to that curiosity, and I also want to resonate with what you said, like a lot of our house will actually program us who we are today. And my mom, my parents were
The typical Asian parents that don't give you praise much. So even though I was academically exceeding, I was excelling, I was getting straight A's, I was top of the class every single year, well, top three, but then the praise came very here and there, very seldom. And so I think that contributed into me becoming a people pleaser, a yes person. So for a very long time, I didn't know how to say no.
And I think on top of that, moving to the States, also encountering being in a very different cultural and corporate environment has also contributed me that prolonged that mindset of I just got to work hard. I just got to keep my head down and work hard and someone's going to notice. And that actually took some mentors, mentors and previous managers, think, whom I really I'm really grateful of reminding of reminding me that what took you there will not get you there. Things like that. That's the
kind of the model that I've accumulated after so many, I have so many sticky notes around my screen here. But it's a lot of the reminders from your own work, your own healing work and also your community, also your mentors, also your sponsors and champions to help you recognize what could be other tools or methods or mindset that could help you get to where you want. And so it took me kind of shedding that mindset and
through all those resources I mentioned, as well as therapy and then coaching. And I had a major burnout, I think, at the end of 2020. I'm not sure it was because of COVID of kind of sheltering place, because I feel I was thriving actually, but it was more of a trying to advocate for myself and trying to get that recognition that never came. So I had a major burnout. And then from there, I did a lot of healing in nature. I did a lot of
Judy Tsuei (17:25.081)
coaching and working with a coach to really recognize what was that underlining and some of those self-limiting beliefs or habits that are, creating that situation were making me burn out. And so that lived experience really, I really carried that through and then into my coaching. So right now a lot of my coaching and my approach with my clients is very customized and very personalized, but it's, will call, I like to call it holistic, even though I only have coaching certificates and then 50.
13 years of corporate America experience. But I use a holistic where the healing, the sensing, the somatic approach, movement approach of helping people first recognize where that feelings and that our emotions are coming from, where that in their body. And then try to manage and regulate that. And cause a lot of time what get us into burnout, into anxiety, into...
I'm not sure about impressions, at least the first two, because that's my own life experience, is because of the nervous system breaking down. Because that nervous system, we learn all that, just like you mentioned, growing up. We learn all that growing up with how we react with our caregivers, our parents, mainly. And so we carry a lot of those things in adulthood. So then what I do a lot of time then is also helping my clients recognize where that emotions are coming from.
and wear that in the body. And first we center that ground to heal in that moment. But also I'm hoping that they can carry those techniques into their daily life. And then we start to get into the, so from kind of the spirit and the heart going to the head, visioning what could be an alternative path, what could be a different feelings, emotions that you rather feel. And then we figure out how do we get there? What kind of actions would take what is needed to get to that state of
peace, of reconciliation, state of joy and wonder. I love that you're talking about the body because I think that it's such a key indicator for how well you're doing or if there's something you need to get taken care of. But I don't think that in Asian culture, we're very often taught to even think about the body or to, you know, look at the body. mean, like, definitely.
Judy Tsuei (19:37.069)
We didn't talk about anything in regards to like sex or like anything like that. So, but even just like the basic things of like when you're a girl and you getting your cycle or if anything I recognized about the body, it was usually shame based or punishment based. So like, you know, my parents use corporal punishment. So I totally felt that pain, but I didn't, I wasn't connected between what are my emotions telling me that my body is trying to convey.
And so I think when I discovered yoga, when I was in my twenties, it all of a sudden felt so lovely and natural to be in a calm, safe space where you could move your body and breathe. And I always think that sinking of breath work with movement is so powerful because I would always understand that.
If you really focus on your breath, you're automatically dropped into the present moment. And in this present moment, you're safe. And so so much of my life, I felt unsafe that being able to breathe and realize, wait, okay, I'm not in my past anymore. I'm now a different person. I'm now an adult. And even if the feelings are familiar or similar, that's not actually what's happening. And so being able to have more of that spaciousness than to be able to
understand like, touch, like in my family of origin too, you know, we weren't hugged, weren't like, you know, there weren't any like good night tucking you in like smooches. No, no, And so I think there was also that like hunger for touch and for feeling. I remember watching that movie about Temple Grandin and how she developed this machine because she was on the spectrum to hug her basically.
And I could totally empathize. I was like, this is why I have two weighted blankets. And why when I go to sleep, I need to have like 15 pillows on top of me so that I can feel some sort of containment or some boundary to like push against. And that to me feels safe. But I love that you're encouraging that because I think even that taking that first step of let me take a breath and let me just observe where I'm feeling this.
Judy Tsuei (21:43.433)
sensation in my body is so big. And it might seem a small thing, but to even connect because I imagine there's plenty of clients who you work with. are plenty of people who I've talked to who dissociate from their trauma. from, know, if you're in that traumatic space every single day, you have to figure out a way to survive. And your young brain is doing whatever it can to help get you there.
And similar to what you said, like what got you here won't get you there. So like, yes, that survival mechanism may have worked up until now, but it's not going to get you to where you want to go. And so how do we just kind of take a beat and just become more aware of the presence that we have and the space that we take in our bodies? I love that. And, you know, give yourself a hug. Like, I think like a stat is like, isn't it eight hugs a day or something for optimal health? And like, there's something, yeah, about
that power of connection and touch. And the other thing that I learned about hugging too is when we hug people, usually we lean with our right chest forward to the other person. And I learned in yoga that actually if you lean to the left, you're connecting heart to heart, but it's such a vulnerable place to feel and it feels awkward when you hug someone like that the first time.
but then your hearts are connecting. even subtle shifts like that, you can just observe how it feels and see. I love that you mentioned yoga. And I actually have a party this weekend. I'm going to try that on the left, yes. And also connecting the dots back. And I think it was also because of yoga that really made me in tune to the body movements. And then that has also helped me to incorporate into my coaching. It also helped me being studying how trauma affected people.
nothing right now and then how trauma actually is so integrated into that mind, body, spirit connections. Yeah. And I also say like, you know, because I want, created this resource so that nobody had to like pay money to hear stories, to understand that they're not alone. Because when I was younger, I didn't have the resources to go find a therapist and it wasn't even like, you know, accepted or acknowledged that that might be something that I need. And so with yoga too, I think, you know,
Judy Tsuei (23:52.535)
whether you find something on YouTube, whether you download an app, whatever it is, it doesn't have to cost money for you to take that step to do something different than you normally would do and just feel. And I think for a lot of us too, we wanna do it in private before we do it in public because it feels like a little bit safer that way. I know that for me, because I was such a perfectionist, because I was told you better get it right the first time, I didn't wanna learn how to do anything without already being.
lunch at it before I went to go do it. if you don't have that kind of space and that forum where you can practice and make mistakes and whatnot, it might feel more comfortable to try doing it at home by yourself and just start to build that relationship with yourself. Yeah, yes. And I love that all the resources that you build or created throughout the years and it's really connecting that mind or body, mind and now spirit, especially with the 10 steps of how to, well, not disappoint your parents, but actually as in
in the disguise is how they actually heal and change that mindset and really embarking on this new journey that you can still be so proud of yourself, but at the same time also be having that reconciliation with your parents. can you speak to like the feeling of being proud of yourself? I was just asked this right before we got on this call of like, how do you perceive yourself? And I find that it's still
challenging for me to feel that sense of like, I'm proud of myself, like I accomplished a lot. And or like, I mean, I had a therapist tell me, you know, God forbid you die tomorrow, but like, if you did, you've accomplished a lot. Like, you know, you don't need to actually do any more, you've done a lot. But, you know, that was hard for me to understand. And even my trainer, who's I've been working with for months and months, he'll say like, you know, what I realized about you is really funny is like, whenever I give you a compliment, you're like, uh-huh. And then you just kind of move on. Yeah.
So how do you feel that sense of like pride and accomplishment? Like how do you encourage your clients to do that? Well, I'm going to say a little stories about me and then also bring into my, how I work with my clients. I would say, well, more of a journey. would say it's also, it took me the healing. think again, the healing, the healing of myself, healing of the pain, healing of knowing that it's okay to forgive my parents because they were just, they were also adults.
Judy Tsuei (26:09.069)
They were just a human. They were also human. They don't know what was the what's the best way to take care of take care of me or my brother growing up. So it's a lot of healing that letting go and then the forgiveness and but also the healing through different modality like therapy, coaching, nature. Nature is so healing and sometimes maybe some other other ways like doing movements, doing psychedelic and doing the various different modality and then really helping yourself to.
let go and then really recognize it's okay, it is okay. And I'm worthy of I'm worthy. I'm worthy of joy. I'm worthy of being I'm worthy of just existence. And so I think once over overcoming that, which I'm still I think a lot of times still healing. It's a it's then takes a lot of intentional practice myself or others. So myself is constantly reminder myself reminding myself that I'm worthy or actually taking up those space. Like you mentioned when I used
feel uncomfortable when I get praise. But then midway through my career in the States, I started to practice saying thank you. And I started instead of deflecting that I say thank you. When someone say, you did a good job or someone compliment me on my parents or my work. And I say, thank you. And that's it. I did not actually let it continue on and I just accepted. And even now I think I still notice myself when I say thank you. I feel there's a little bit of a shame there. And then shame in its foundation is not
thinking that you're worthy. And so it took me and still taking me, I think, maybe like 10 years of a journey of the reconditioning that. But I think I am working towards that. And then it's the fact that knowing that you are growing, you are a little bit better or towards your ideal self than yesterday's, than you from yesterday. That's where then you get that sense of pride, that sense of believing yourself and pride.
And that's also how I work with my clients is witnessing their journey and being there for them and guiding them through it. Open ended and empathetic inquiries and not having a agenda. think not having an agenda is really important. Like, yes, I do have an agenda. want them to see the power that's in them, but I don't show I don't guide them in a way. I think you should do that only with.
Judy Tsuei (28:24.579)
permission. But it's the I think the fact that witnessing and being there and presence that's there, witnessing their journey, I think that is also one of the sources that gain that empower them with that self confidence. And then also, of course, their resources and their community, their
friends and partners in their life. That's also important in helping them on that journey. Thank you so much for sharing about the witnessing. I think that we underestimate how powerful that is to be around someone else who has no other agenda other than to just be there with you. And I think that's the power of working with a good coach as well is that they understand where you're trying to get to, but they're also holding a container where it can be empathetic and where there is no judgment and you get to be all of who you are and you get to be seen.
as who you are. When I was younger, I didn't understand how important this idea of witnessing was. And I was working with at a company where I interviewed the CEO and his wife happened to direct a lot of Hollywood movies. And he had said something to her that she then used in a movie with like Jennifer Lopez, where, you know, she was saying like, I believe it's part of love and part of a long term relationship is having someone there to witness your journey. And I at the time thought that sounds really boring. What are you talking about? So
Now I realize like, there's so much power in someone being there. And you know, the progress, I love that you're being vulnerable and open and sharing your own progress that you're making and like the just the hints of things that you're still feeling and working through. I'm reading Atomic Habits right now. And he basically says like, what is the 1 % improvement that you can make and demonstrating through all these different case studies of how 1 % compounded over time can make such a substantial difference.
and your progress. And even if in the moment you're not seeing the evolution, like we all are programmed to want it fast, fast, fast, you know, like it should have happened yesterday. I'm so frustrated. And that's when people give up is like not seeing it in the moment as opposed to, but you are making progress. And when you pull back the lens and you give it more time, I think that's the other thing with maturity too, is you learn to expand your timeline. So you're not just like, this is it. And this has to happen right now. But instead, okay, I'm going to pull back. I'm going to go,
Judy Tsuei (30:36.419)
higher and further up and I'm gonna look at it that way and then I'm also gonna expand my timeline and then from there you give yourself more grace and like more spaciousness and so I love what you're highlighting there. Yeah and patience that reminded me of patience. So I'm so curious because I asked this to every guest if you were to say f*ck saving face about something what would you say f*ck saving face about? You are worthy I think is yeah similar to what I mentioned you're worthy of joy you're worthy of wonder.
you're worthy of exploring and figuring out what is to come, what is ahead of you. And just by being, just by being, by your presence. yes, there's going to be a lot of different voices, namely a lot, well, notably your parents. And another one is your own ego and your head telling, well, you should do that, you should do this. But f*ck saving phase is it's not other people's faces, your life, it's your own face. It's your life that you can and you have the
power to really be on this planet and striving towards and striking towards whatever that you will figure it out where you want to be and then you will be there. Yeah. I love that. Definitely chills. So I loved your striking towards that was great. If people want to follow up with you, where can they find you? They can find me on LinkedIn, Chen, T S E N G. They can also find me on Instagram. I am way finding with Nina as well the threats.
Threats are mostly in traditional Chinese content, but I share about career and personal growth on all these different platforms. That's amazing. Thank you so much. Thank you so much for having me.
Judy Tsuei (32:17.773)
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Keywords: Asian Americans, mental health, emotional health, parenting, neurodiversity, empathy, cultural identity, self-acceptance, personal growth, family dynamics
