EP 119: Keeping It Real with Dr. Stephanie J. Wong
In this powerful episode, Dr. Stephanie J. Wong, a licensed clinical psychologist, entrepreneur, and author of "Cancel the Filter."
Dr. Wong is also the founder of the award-winning "Color of Success" podcast and a dedicated mental health advocate, particularly for the Asian American community.
Together, we delve into the challenges of maintaining authenticity while navigating the complex world of entrepreneurship and mental health, especially as a woman of color.
Dr. Wong shares her journey from high school trauma to becoming a prominent mental health professional and podcaster. She emphasizes the importance of authenticity in her professional and personal life, highlighting how this value shapes her work and interactions.
The conversation explores her experiences as a working mother, the realities behind her book "Cancel the Filter," and her efforts to destigmatize mental health issues among Asian Americans.
Dr. Wong's insights into balancing professional success with personal well-being offer valuable lessons for anyone striving to achieve similar harmony in their own lives.
Highlights:
Authenticity in Leadership: Dr. Wong discusses the delicate balance of conveying the founder's journey without undermining one's capabilities, stressing the importance of staying true to oneself.
Mental Health Advocacy: Drawing from her own experiences, Dr. Wong highlights the need for open conversations about mental health, particularly within high-pressure environments and communities of color.
Support and Empowerment: The episode underscores the significance of women supporting women, especially in professional settings, and provides practical advice on how to navigate motherhood and career challenges effectively.
This episode is a must-listen for anyone interested in mental health, authenticity, and the multifaceted experiences of women of color in today's society.
More about Dr. Stephanie J. Wong
Stephanie J. Wong, Ph.D. is an Asian American, licensed clinical psychologist, entrepreneur, BTS ARMY, founder of the award-winning, Color of Success Podcast, and author of Cancel the Filter: Realities of a Psychologist, Podcaster, and Working Mother of Color. She works in private practice with tech professionals, most of which are ethnic minorities, and at a hospital, serving military veterans. Her training in clinical interviewing has led to fireside chats with diverse podcast guests (e.g., Margaret Cho) about advancing their careers and addressing mental health and cultural identity.
Dr. Wong is a keynote speaker in academic, entertainment, and corporate settings, sharing her expertise in Asian American mental health, diversity training, and the treatment of anxiety, depression, substance use, work-related stress, and relationship and cultural concerns.
Takeaways
Authenticity is key to everything we do, and it's important to convey our journey without creating doubt in anyone's mind about our capabilities, capacity, or qualifications.
Open conversations about emotions and mental health are essential, and it's important to address community-level trauma and support each other through challenging times.
Balancing work, parenting, and self-care is a complex journey, and it's crucial to empower and support working mothers in their unique challenges and experiences.
Episode Highlights
00:00 Empowering Authenticity and Mental Health
19:28 Navigating Community Level Trauma
28:00 The Complex Journey of Working Mothers
Transcript:
Judy Tsuei (00:02.606)
Welcome to the F*ck Saving Face podcast where we're empowering mental and emotional health for Asian Americans and voices of color by breaking through taboo topics. Life may not always be pretty, but it is indeed beautiful. Make your story beautiful today.
Judy Tsuei (00:02.606)
This topic came up when we were at the Tory Burch Foundation event in New York about how as a business owner to convey the journey of being a founder without creating doubt in anyone's mind about your capabilities, your capacity, your qualifications. And while that is a very interesting balance to walk, I do know that authenticity is key to everything that I do. And so it feels very freeing to know that the person that you're going to meet in real life and the person that you see online are ideally as aligned as they possibly can be.
So what I love about Stephanie J. Wong, who is the guest today, is that she wrote a book called Cancel the Filter, Realities of a Psychologist, Podcaster, and Working Mother of Color, and just keeping it real. Because how relieving is that when you see someone else? I mean, I feel like those are the memes and the posts that I see that are most hilarious are the ones that capture perfectly and so honestly our lived experience.
So she's Asian American, licensed, she's a licensed clinical psychologist, entrepreneur, BTS Army, founder of the award winning Color of Success podcast. And I just mentioned the book that she wrote. She works in private practice with tech professionals, most of whom are ethnic minorities and at a hospital serving military veterans. Her training in clinical interviewing has led to fireside chats with diverse podcast guests, such as Margaret Cho.
about advancing their careers and addressing mental health and cultural identity. Dr. Wong is a keynote speaker in academic, entertainment, and corporate settings, sharing her expertise as an Asian American mental health professional. She works in diversity training and she focuses on the treatment of anxiety, depression, substance use, work -related stress, and relationship and cultural concerns. So if you, like me, want to have more of that realness in your life,
Judy Tsuei (02:18.254)
I hope that this episode gives you exactly that.
I am so grateful to have Dr. Stephanie Wong, author of Cancel the Filter and also a fellow podcast host of The Color of Success here today. It's International Women's Day. Depending on when this episode airs, I believe every day should be International Women's Day. And I actually saw something recently that was saying like, women have everything that we need when we're born. It's the world that makes us believe that we are less than in any way. So I'm going to turn it over to
Stephanie, to share a bit about your story and how you came to be an author and a podcast host. Absolutely. Thank you so much, Judy, for having me. You know, it's always amazing to connect with other strong, wonderful women doing great things. And I know that we're both parents and that in itself brings a whole nother level of intersectionality. My story is a little bit different. I am a clinical psychologist and
I've talked about this in other places, but basically in high school, we lost a student to suicide. And this was a magnet school where it was primarily a API student body and there were no resources offered at that time. And so I really recognize that, wow, we really need to talk about mental health. There are things going on that are being unaddressed. We're in a high pressure situation in the school in terms of, you know, most.
everyone went to college straight away and there weren't any questions of whether someone was going to graduate or not. And so as I declared pre -psychology in undergraduate, I was one of the fortunate ones to actually like what I pre -majored in and pursued it. And it was a journey from there. I mean, going to my PhD program directly after undergrad and just kind of working with the spectrum of like the continuum of care.
Judy Tsuei (04:17.197)
And so I never thought I would get into podcasting. I was building a private practice because I had a low risk business opportunity because I have another full -time job. And after the Selling the Couch podcast with Dr. Varghese, it helped me build my practice. And then during the pandemic, he had a free webinar on podcasting. And of course I love free, so I took it.
thinking that it's going to lead to like this now six seasons of podcasting, but I really wanted to destigmatize mental health among the API community and ethnic minority communities. And this was kind of a bigger platform to hopefully make a dent and open up conversations. So, and how did you become an author? Well, I'm gonna ask you two questions. Three, actually one, how do you culturally identify? So I am Chinese American.
And interestingly, because I love K -dramas, I started taking Korean like seven years ago because I wanted to be able to not pause it when I went to the bathroom. I'm still not there yet. I'm still not there yet. But and then I am a huge BTS army. So in the back, you can see some of the stuff. But that really like keeps me motivated and something that I had to accept that it's a lifelong journey because.
learning a language is just so difficult. So people will always be kind of confused, like, well, you're not Korean, are you? Are you Korean? And I don't speak Chinese either. So I speak more Spanish than Chinese. And so it's an interesting mix. That's interesting. And second, from your podcast, has there been something where someone's reached out to you and said, like, you know, this episode really made a difference or some conversation? Is there something in your mind that you remember?
There've been a few. One recently was Sheena Yatchan's episode that she just also released her solo book, The Tao of Self -Confidence. And she really talked about the stereotypes that Asian women are continuing to face and didn't know that would kind of go viral in terms of people, more so hate comments. I was like, this is the first time where I was like, this is intense. And so,
Judy Tsuei (06:41.646)
Sheena and I checked in several times of like, are you okay? How's it going? Because it was her face, right? Like, they're clips, they're reels. And so it was more directed towards her, but at the same time, it was on our platform. And so it was really important to when I got into a mentally, a mental space where I could address those, the ones that seemed like they were really interested in dialogue, then I was able to respond to some of those. But I think,
those situations, that was one of our most viewed and listened to episodes last season. And so I think it resonated with people and it brings in because some people think it's controversial. And what about it was controversial? What kind of, yeah, what was the topic or what was the feedback? Well, I think it was like, well, Asian women,
are successful. They're not facing those kinds of stereotypes anymore. What's so bad about being submissive and stuff like that? I was blown away. One of the people I responded to was, well, would you be okay with being submissive as male identifying? He was just like, no, because I'm a man. In my mind, I'm like, so.
But I mean, obviously, I'm not going to write that in the comments because it would just stir up. So I think you have to figure out how to say things that are digestible and at the same time setting boundaries to people like, okay, this thinking is kind of setting us back. Well, and I think that that's such a good point because I know another one of my friends, she's of mixed race, she's an IP attorney, and she was talking about how...
people on her feet or she's been seeing when it was Black History Month, like, why should we do that anymore? It doesn't exist. She's like, are you kidding? The systemic injustice that's all around us. And another one of my friends is a DIB, B for Belonging consultant. And she was like, you do realize that our corporate culture is based on chattel slavery, right? Like it's based on bringing people together in a way that homogenizes them, that puts them in servitude and all that kind of stuff. And...
Judy Tsuei (09:00.59)
when you realize how deeply ingrained those things are to the point that we're unaware, you know, much like we send our kids to school and I firmly believe in education and the fact that a lot of school structures were structured in such a way as to produce more employees or more, you know, workers. And so I think being able to take a step back and understand that just cause we see it on the surface level as one thing doesn't mean that the depth of it.
isn't something completely different slash it has a different impact on so many different cultures. So I love that you're bringing that up because yeah, I mean, you know, like that's a wild, well also now everybody has like a megaphone that you can shout from because there's no like repercussions for the things that you say. So I think that that's really interesting. And so, and how did you go from becoming a therapist and becoming a podcast host to writing your book and tell me more about your book? Absolutely. Well, I have it. I might have it right here.
It's cancel the filter realities of a psychologist podcaster and working mother of color and What I really wanted to emphasize because people See my credentials on paper LinkedIn, whatever and they're like, my god, you're superwoman and I go no people I'm 20 seconds from losing my shit all the time and I had this manuscript there since 2020
And I was like, what do I need to put it out there for? Like, what can I really contribute? And this is not this conceptual, theoretical, as some of my friends at work would say, psychobabble. It is really real talk about my story. I use that line in my story. That's why I self -published essentially, because publishers are very particular about cuss words. And I'm like,
know, 20 seconds from losing your mind doesn't really capture exactly what the feeling that I have behind it. And so it really does talk about my journey from, you know, my water leaking and me going home to eat dinner because I'm like, I have patients to see him and go eat dinner to studying for a licensure exam, you know, on my hospital bed. So these are like real things that people aren't really talking about. I know that I've heard from
Judy Tsuei (11:18.894)
working mothers, I think we have to present this strong front that we have everything together and behind the scenes, it's like, man, did you shower today? And that's normal. Like, you know, did you have a chance to like breathe or even watch five minutes or something, you know, that you wanted to do. So.
And recently I was just meeting with a client and he was telling me about this book that he is reading called Hair, Brain, Tortoise, Mind, and how because of the culture that we're in where we're constantly inundated by information. And I think, you know, for me, I'm an avid learner, so I'm trying to consume content all the time, but then your subconscious and your super conscious doesn't have a chance to process through everything that's coming up. And so because of that, at the end of the day, you're like wired, because now your brain is like, great, now we're going to solve all these problems.
And so being able to have that moment of being able to breathe is such a big deal. And we don't give ourselves that, especially as working mothers, especially of having young children. And I was actually having this conversation with my partner yesterday where I was saying, well, like, what's it going to be like when I'm older? Cause I love being productive and like, you know, why not? He's like, I don't imagine that 20 years from now, my pace of life is going to be the same. My children will be older. The things that we'll be doing is like different.
And so I think about that and I'm so grateful that you're keeping it real because I do wish that more people would peel back the curtain. I wish that, you know, even from social media when we see entrepreneurs saying they had a five, six, seven figure launch, like tell me for real what you did and what that took. Yeah. Because my friend went to that Rachel Rogers, she had an event in Puerto Rico. So we went together. She went to the event.
I was there to accompany her and she was telling me that when she was listening, because my friend is trying to scale her company to sell, she was listening to these other women sharing about how they built multiple millions of dollars and how they sold and all that kind of stuff. But you heard all of their stories and one of them had a son with mental illness, one of them got divorced, one of them... And she's like, what is the real price?
Judy Tsuei (13:26.798)
that you're paying for this success. And not to say at all that you shouldn't pursue that success. I think it's just doing it with your eyes wide open and understanding that there will be sacrifice and there will be an impact in different aspects of your life. So from cancel the filter, what are some of the key lessons that you wish that people would know? What do you feel like, hello, why doesn't anybody talk about this? Kind of like after I had a baby, I was like,
so nobody told me that I was probably gonna have to wear a diaper after having like a baby. I had no idea about that. Or you would feel like a cow because you're a food source. That's if you breastfeed. And not literally talking about weight, but literally you're the food source of and have to be tied to your child all the time. There's just like biologically and physically, even if you have a supportive partner, they can't do that heavy lifting literally. Yeah.
I think that's one thing is, you know, really, it's hard. And I know that sounds so simplistic, but I, one of my sections is pregnancy is not a party. And that, again, this is my experience. I really emphasize this throughout the book. Some people, which I, I don't know many say that, my God, I love being pregnant. And when I was pregnant, I was not happy like that. Okay. So it's,
hard. And even if it's joyful there, you do have times where you're getting frustrated, you're resentful, not because you're not happy that you're having a health and growing a healthy baby. And I consider that a blessing too, because I know many women nowadays are, I think anyways, our biology has not caught up with the times in that there is struggles to get pregnant. So I was fortunate.
to have children earlier in my life when I say quote unquote, because now it's getting pushed back, right? But it's hard and to give yourself grace that it is, there's just challenges that exist and while building a career as well, not all women choose to start a company at the same time, but many do. And so, like you said, having your eyes wide open that we all, many of us struggle.
Judy Tsuei (15:49.006)
with these challenges of how much time should I really devote to my career? How much time should I take off? And in the US anyways, I feel like, well, you get that, you know, FMLA and you should be back to work. But the realization that there are doctor's appointments for you and the baby, you need time to relax, especially, or I would say let your body restore because I had to see sections. It was like,
No, I can't even walk right now. So I think giving and also other people understanding that women are very productive and we're hard workers, but the expectations on us are very, very, very strict still. Yes, absolutely. And I mean, I echo that. I was sick throughout my entire pregnancy. People are like, and I say this a lot, I go and I'll get my nails done and people were like, do you just have one? You should have more. I'm like, were you in my
Like, did you have to do the things that I had to go through? So, you know, even that, but then I was on a call with the Tory Burch Foundation and there was a woman who is now one of their new executives and she was sharing how she admired how so many of the women entrepreneurs on the call were at different phases of life because she started her business. Yes, she also had kids, but her kids were older and there was a woman on the call who had just given birth and had an infant. And so at all these different stages.
all these incredible women who are so intelligent and so productive. And I think I had just read yesterday, like stop comparing us to having to perform in a male dominated world. Like it's a different platform. It's a different arena that we're in. I feel like we could totally run and rule the world with so much more compassion. But I do wish that other women.
that we would give ourselves more grace and give other women also more grace. I think that it's what I always equated to is like, I had no idea until I became a parent what it was like to be a parent. I don't think that my brain had the capacity to understand. So there was no way that I could have had the level of empathy for someone else who became a parent before me that I now have for another parent because I know exactly what that's like. And so how...
Judy Tsuei (18:04.974)
How do you, without having that level of awareness or understanding, how do you support someone else or what can we do? So what have you seen in your practice or in your book? Like, what can we do about all of this? Well, just like with mental health, you don't have to have had a specific mental health issue to support people, right? We can be supportive and empathic, really asking open -ended questions of like, what is it like? You might not fully understand, but...
I have friends, a couple that has chosen not to have children. And what they do is they actually pack a whole bunch of meals to their friends who have children and deliver it to them. And so I think just being motivated, just like with anyone else, like, what are you struggling with? What can I help with? And really understand that they're not slacking off because I've gotten that too. It was like, you have senioritis and it's like, no, dude.
I'm pregnant, but I didn't want to tell you that in a professional setting. Not a dude, but ironically it was a woman. And, you know, we have to make choices that we actually have to tell people this and be more honest. But I think if safe being vocal about the situation of like, Hey, you know, I have these doctors appointments or I may need extra support, you know, in this respect, it is really also.
what I'll emphasize is women empowering other women because we have enough stuff to go through and to bring each other down is not what I'm in the business for, you know? And I wrote the book so that women feel less alone. Even if you're not a parent, just that idea, there's sections on there about podcasting representation and of course, BTS being my sanity and self -care. But I think you can be mutually supportive and have different...
you know, aspects of your life that are going on. I've been listening to Simu -Doo's memoir, We Were Dreamers. And he was talking about how he didn't realize how valuable it is to have representation in media. And, you know, as he's coming to this understanding, he's like, it's one of the reasons that propelled me to write this book that you're listening or reading now is because I believe that representation matters. And I think about that all the time. It's like, I didn't even realize how much I was hungering for that.
Judy Tsuei (20:25.902)
or how much I needed that until other people started showing up, like you doing the work that you're doing, seeing other people in all these different facets of possibilities or capabilities, or even just being honest and sharing. I mean, like Simu shares how his parents beat him, how disappointed, you know, disappointing he was to them. And I'm like, my gosh, yes, that's, it's propelling me to want to write my book even more because I need,
someone to understand that and I didn't realize just how deeply in green that was. So, you know, I encourage anybody who's listening to this, like tell your story, share what it is that you've learned along the way. I always try to make sure that we're not like sharing our stuff to be victimizing. There's a someone that I'm working with now and he does EMDR therapy and he's very much about trauma informed care and he wants to
train all people to be able to do that. So in all environments that we're in, whether it's therapeutic or not, that we understand we've all experienced different types of challenges and trauma. So how can we have that compassion and empathy and support one another instead of trying to tear one another down or, you know, or just sharing things because we need to get it off our chest, but then someone else is carrying the weight of the thing that we've shared.
You know, one of the reasons that I wanted to bring you on to is because you're a mother, you're a mother of two. What are some other like real bits that you want, you know, people to know who are balancing all of these different things? And remind me again, do you have two girls or a boy and a girl? I have two girls, 12 and nine. yes. And so, you know, they're their own little people and wish strong personalities. And so what's that been like to you?
you know, help encourage them in the world. Well, first I want to encourage folks that it does get a little bit better when they're older because they can wipe their own butts and dress themselves. And so for those that are dealing with infants and toddlers and stuff, like there is light at continuing on to the journey. Yeah. But I think some of the stories that I talk about are very early on where, you know, potty training, for instance, my daughter had never been away from home. Fortunately, we had.
Judy Tsuei (22:51.79)
You know, I lived with my in -laws at the time, but when we put her in preschool, she would pee right when she woke up from nap time. Cause she's like, where is everybody? She happened to pee on a teacher during story time one time. And I say this because another mom, when they were going on tour, they're like, yeah, my, my kid's totally potty trained. And he peed on the floor during the tour and he was, she was like, my God, that's so weird. But like, actually he wasn't fully potty trained either. Cause they were letting, it was a kind of a grand opening where it was like the second.
class. And so people were able to come in. I thought we had another year. But just that thought of like, even potty training is hard, and really helping them navigate friendships. Like even right now, it's like, I see I'm not even ready for this drama that happens in middle school. And so and I did a recent post today of like, well, how are we really guiding our girls to become kind, strong women, beautiful inside and out. And I think part of it is,
really teaching them the socio -emotional skills and the communication skills, but also, you know, knowing what we know now, it's like, who the hell cares about this person looking cool or whatever. But as a child, it's so, so difficult to like get to be criticized or judged by, you know, focusing on X or Y or Z. So what I'm really trying and my husband,
we're really trying to emphasize is like, again, be your own person, be true to yourself, easier said than done, but really support them in doing that. Like, okay, this person may have something going on with them, they may have self -esteem issues, and so, you know, you have the ability, what you do have control over is setting boundaries. And it's okay to say, you know what, I'm gonna take a break from this person, or you know what, maybe this is not a good fit right now for a friend.
Can I ask you, because lately I've been hearing, you know, the social emotional learning, I 1000 % agree and I back it and I bring my daughter to a child therapist who she loves. And, you know, I've heard different people saying, well, if you're continually focusing on the problem, that's just going to make it worse or like, you know, dwelling and all of that kind of stuff. And one of the best solutions that you can give if your kid is anxious or whatever is to.
Judy Tsuei (25:13.198)
put them through harder things and get them to like, you know, challenge and be out of nature. So I'm just curious because I think that, you know, the generation that came before us, my parents' generation, definitely mental health was not us. And I think that was in Brother Son, very like on the nose, right? Like, we don't talk about that. Why don't we talk about that? Exactly. And I think they did such a good job in the show of demonstrating how that
eldest raised in this culture and the youngest raised in Western culture, what the differences are. So phenomenal. They did a great job of that. And, you know, like where we are now, I feel like we've moved so deep into social emotional learning, understanding all your feelings, pick up for yourself, like, you know, all that kind of stuff. What do you feel is like a healthy place for kids, you know, to be? I, you know, I think it's child to child, but I will say that.
harmonizing those pieces are important. If your child does really well in a setting and can kind of figure stuff out in a professional setting, or maybe there's a certain situation in one's life that is a lot harder. I talk about in the book about when our two dogs passed away that were 17 and 16, that was a particularly hard time in the family because my girls only knew them throughout their entire life. Right. And so,
those were times where they needed more support than what I could give them, right, as a parent. And I'm not my kid's therapist. While I can do that, it's the boundaries. I want them to be able to build trusting relationships with other adults, safe adults. But the other part is we can't put them in a bubble. It's just, it's not gonna help. And what we know is like, and what I tell my clients all the time is we wanna get to the point where,
you don't need me anymore. And that's a little bit weird to say, but you know, it's more like, can you internalize the skills that we're talking about or process traumas or situations so that you can go out and integrate into society or integrate into social circles and be able to practice these skills. It's not going to go well all the time. And even for those who are, whom I would say are emotionally and socially intelligent.
Judy Tsuei (27:31.886)
It doesn't always go that way. Good either. It just depends. So actually make it's okay to make mistakes. Sometimes it's concurrent. You're going to therapy and you're trying these things out. I mean, that's the ideal in some situations. So it is a learning. It's an experiment in life, I would say ongoing. I love that experiment in life. So I ask every guest if you could say fuck saving face about something, what would you say fuck saving face about talking about emotions?
I thought a lot about that when you asked me what I would say to that. And I mean, I'm really over just kind of internalizing things and people have generational trauma and they clearly have something going on. I think that's what's really contributing to a lot of hurt. And you were talking about traumas, there's community level ones, right? We came out of a pandemic.
where so many were isolated, so many of our loved ones or colleagues passed away, we haven't processed that on a community level. So even if you haven't or been fortunate not to have like a personal individual trauma, we also have community level trauma that needs to be addressed. So, hey, let's talk about some of these things and hear other people's stories about their process.
Yeah, I fully agree. It's interesting because since I have a content marketing agency, I try to stay on top of trends and understand where things are going for us as a society. And so I was reading this leading trends company and they were sharing about consumers in 2024. And then what they project are consumers in 2025. And there's like four personality types that they kind of evaluate per year. And so this year is all about being tragically optimistic.
was one of them. And just understanding how much mental and emotional burden we've experienced as a whole and how that's translating into how we're coping in different ways. And that constant, you know, what I was kind of alluding to earlier is that inability to slow down or the inability to not be distracted and that, you know, our brains are just over, overworked, I guess you could say. And then in 2025, yeah, overstimulated.
Judy Tsuei (29:45.998)
In 2025, there were all these, it was so feelings based. It was so like people who are seeking honoring time, people who are seeking honoring memories and honoring like emotions. It was so interesting to see how we as a humanity, I think, like you said, like there's technologies moving so fast. Us not being able to keep up is causing this like internal dilemma or like a big large scale dilemma. So I think.
Let's talk about it. Let's talk about all those feelings that are coming up. If people want to connect with you, how can they find you? Absolutely. Well, you can check out our episodes on colorsuccesspodcast .com, our emails, the cospodcast at gmail .com. And of course, Cancel the Filter is on Amazon or anywhere where you buy books. And I'm happy to receive emails or folks to connect with me to talk about it because that's the whole purpose is to like,
connect and not feel alone as working parents. Yeah, congratulations on that. I know what an endeavor writing a book is and being that open and authentic and honest, I commend you. So thank you. Thank you so much for having me. Thank you so much for tuning in. We are about to wrap up this weekly episode. But if you like it, please do let me know. Email me, judy at wildheartedwords .com. I would love to hear if the structure of the podcast is what.
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